THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. These two revolvers just feel better ergonomically than either the Uberti .357's or the USFA .38 Special revolvers I have. Then, I took it to a gunhack who buggered the threads. Armi San Marco - VTIGunparts Not really outrage, but an eyeroll for sure. Are the parts hand made/fitted, or is the manufacture generic these days? Type: Revolver. First load powder, then press ball. The .44 ball over 35 grains is enough to kill a horse. 1885 Low Wall Manual. I take all three to the range regularly in the appropriate recreation leather. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS MILD OXIDATION. 1858 Remington Cap and ball I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). Retail $300. A quick look netted this info from a CAS City post: ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. You have entered an incorrect email address! (Of course, if you want the value of a gun to quadruple, just buy it from me and wait five years.) The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. Or something like that. And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. True for the 1873 and any other revolver deaigned to fire cartridges. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. I have done extensive testing of Black Powder guns and have a webpage with my collected Energy Data here: http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. percussion caps are NOT standard size. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. Modern Reproduction Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. Plain walnut grips. THE FRAME , HAMMER AND RAMROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN APPROX 94% OF .45 Colt; 98% blue, near mint bore, very good grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. Finally, different guns will perform differently with different sized balls (or conicals), and that is something to experiment with as well. By the way; it is a pretty decent movie in the class with Quiggley Down Under.almost. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. Model: 1858. I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858 Rolling Dont touch it unless the gun is pointing in a safe direction cause there is is no transfer bar. Not that theres anything wrong with that. How interchangeable are Uberti gun parts Put the caps in the back and shoot. Thats not meat harvesting. I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. This article makes me want to buy more guns! It required something Long and thin, preferably with a hook at its end, to fish the Mashed and Mangled remains of the cap, out of the Innards of the gun, before Battle could once more be joined! He has a bee in his bonnet, that he is the ONLY person in the world who knows how to correctly clean black Powder revolvers. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. I havent shot black powder in a long time. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. All smokeless powder and paper free. The Remington on the other hand, was very WELL DESIGNED, and was considered to be one of the strongest Percussion Revolvers ever made, It also had a very superior Sighting System, with the rear sight a notch in the frame, and a post or blade foresight at the end of the barrell,, at the tip! Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Products These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why But, since we don't spin in SASS, it's not a problem I worry about. and practise with that heavy load! Cimarron Thunderer and There is research indicating that chain fires are probably caused by sparks getting under loose-fitting percussion caps. Gauge: 44 percussion. Colonel in Texas Army. Nope. SOME PATINA ON 36 Caliber; 80% blue, fair bore, good grips, 505'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1862 POCKET NAVY REVOLVER. I think the ASMs from around that time were pretty good guns. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 If you are using a big bore handgun, the little 22 seems like a free party. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. ). I load as follows: 1866 Rifle Manual. I am very pleased with what i got. I shot them for five years until I got my Colts and they worked fine. ASM Remington 1858 Replica .44 Cap That means that two Colt Peacemakers coming off the line 1 minute apart (11:59PM on Dec 31 1898 and 12:00 AM on Jan 1, 19 99, define the force of the law. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. Gun Review: 1858 Remington If a conversion cylinder (to shoot black powder cowboy loads) Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. Exc condition, appears unfired. It was a good gun but it went down the road in a swap as I don't care for the grip frame on the Remingtons. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). BORE IS IN FAIR CONDITION. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. There is some variability between brands of caps as well as manufacture of nipples. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. The wish list gets longer, but the disposable income remains the same. Buffalo. CAS, SASS, Cat: Sharpshooter Meat harvesting is whats done here in Texas. None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. I have guns I bought from them as long ago as 2001, and they are all beautiful. Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. I don't know whatever happened to that lawsuit or maybe it was just a rumor? We raise cattle, same thing. Perfect for display and target shooting. Selleck wields a S&W Scholfield and a 1860 (I think) Colt open frame Army. If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. If yoiui can keep all six shots in a four inch circle, at whatever range you think you are likely to see a deer, then take your Remington Percussion Revolver hunting. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. And you thought the New York reload was a modern invention? WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. Any help would be appreciated. 1883 Burgess Manual. Fingers on triggers, especially that Civil War vet. BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH SHARP RIFLING. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. It was like 1-2 years before they went out of businnes. Modern Reproduction For powder loads, the .36s usually run 15-20 grains (that is by volume, not by weightso you MUST use a measure), while most loads for .44s that Ive seen (all my guns are .36) are 25 to (max) 35 grains. Actions 44 BP; 60% blue, fair bore, fair grips, 7.75'' barrel, Made in Italy. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Thank God I had my Reminton. Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. It could definitely be loaded to deer-hunting levels but I just used it to punch large holes in an old oil drum we left against the sand bank at the quarry. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems. Old South Firearms, LLC Thanks. A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! Reenacting: CW & IW Armi San Marco is out of business. NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. gens. Their SAA's are a good example. They were based primarily on the early 1st. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Some shot high except a .36 Army San Marco Colt 1851 Navy. RO11, Cowboy Mounted Shooting, Hunting and Cowboy Action Shooting, Parts are still available on a limited basis from. The problem doing that is the bolt finger like the 1st gens was really sharp and the cams on the hammers were soft. Told the gunsmith I did not want a race gun, I just wanted it to work. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? I can put up to 60 grains into each chamber, though I usually use 40. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. It is the reciever/frame of any gun that is the controlled part, basically the receiver or frame IS the gun, legally. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. Actually. STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS MINISCULE HANDLING WEAR. By I now have two 58s one with a conversion (to 45 colt cartridge) cylinder from Midway that works great, and no black powder fouling. My personal recipe for 1858 fun is 25 grains of holy black with a .454 diameter round lead ball seated firmly atop it. Grips A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. And be sure to get the correct version of conversion. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. Many, many thanks for making this information public. So feel free to experiment. Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver For an 1858, the standard Remington caps will work brilliantly. My theory was that the chamber pressure was too high and the percussion cap was pushing the hammer back causing the cylinder to try to rotate while the ball was passing from the cylinder to the forcing cone. I noticed in the latest Taylors catalog that they are also using the name Armi in, front of the Chiappa name in that catalog. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of