I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. If you dont already, try it some time. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. Fundamental.org - King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. . Tithing is a good thing to do & I believe God can be glorified if done with right heart, intent & purporses. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. 2.) Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. 3.) G.L. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Unfortunately I am relatively new to this denomination; I do not know how much authority they have over my individual church. @greg . The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. I apologize for my assumptions! than we pray that they will get right with God My responsibility is to preach the Word. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. Corrections? Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. Remember new testament christians are never compelled to give mandatory gifts, if you have been taught that, you have been taught wrong. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. IFB churches are not the problem. In answer your assumptions about me. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. I can certainly forgive you. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist Church? Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. Rachael God bless you!! Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. God bless. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. They are worlds apart. I have to tell you, Lynne, if you want to keep one part of the law, without keeping the rest of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing. Right down to exactly a tenth. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. Not just the New Testament. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. I watched a man die last week. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. I think that point was already addressed. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. PEOPLE are the problem! (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). About. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward decision and has nothing to do with your salvation. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. People sin, and people attend churches. Follow us on Pinterest: Find an Independent Baptist Church Near You Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. We should never be arrogant in the word, instead humble. Not because of how we dress but by who we are. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. What is the Reformed Baptist Church? | GotQuestions.org ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. Hope this clears up some confusion. all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) The person, John the Baptist. Baptists are not Protestants! Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. 13:8-10). Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. Gilbert Independent Baptist Church He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. either. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Chandler, AZ It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac Enter city. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). For example, G.L. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. I cannot judge this man. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Therefore if a church is teaching Tithe is mandatory or sin if not donethey are I believe in error. Omissions? Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. HWY 3 NW. Under grace we can give as much as we like. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Read More. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. 7. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. I hope you come back to comment more. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. Greg, Unaccountable. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. Its nothing personal, just logic. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. She is not shunned. The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. I humbly asked a question. The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. @greg We hope it will be a blessing to you. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? Select worship style. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. @Fran We are not under law. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. If other will share. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention.