Clamp the piece in so only a 1/2 inch below where you want the bend in the angle iron is flush with the top of the vise. The Ever Changing Bag! VokeySM6 Raw- 50F, Scotty Cameron X5R Flow Neck Torched Finish. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Think about how much this could help golfers from the rough as well. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The bend overlap in angle iron will be bigger so you need to allow for a 1/2 inch. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By The speed of putts is crucial. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. However, recent form has shown the real Grant, with back-to-back class efforts at Torrey Pines and Pebble Beach, where at the former he led an elite field after a first-round 64. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. Step 1 for those golfers is to increase ball speed. Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Titleist Response to USGA / R&A Distance Insights, Bending 716MB irons 1 or 2 degrees strong. With added ball speed comes more launch. My advice is to get fit as cheaply as you can and find some newer distance irons on Ebay or BST that can fit you. The new era of stronger lofts is all about how far to hit 7 iron vs how close to hit 7 iron and more accurate. I've bent tons of clubs. It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. St Louis, MO. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. Check out the different lie angles of a standard 8 iron from these three companies: I know that the difference between these angles doesnt seem like much. Strengthening adds offset, the sole of the club is effectively moved back, the hosel is fixed, therefore the leading edge of the sole moves away from the ball, adding offset. My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. In The BagDriver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65xStrong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? Pasted as rich text. Feel free to browse around and see if anything catches your eye! By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the c, Intrigued by your debate, I did a little virtual bending experiment with a Taylormade UDI in Photoshop. When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. KBS even notes it in the swing speed recommendations for their different model shafts, as their very lightweight steel shafts are about a full flex softer frequency than the standard weight counterpart. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. Sounds like it's a long iron. Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. You may want to try searching if you need more info. I dont like alot of offset so that changes things a little. One good example comes to mind. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Golfers should liken their iron fittings to that of a driver. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. I can't say that they have kicked my 716 ap2 out for good, but for now the 716 cb are staying in the bag! These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. I am not sure exactly what you are asking with the final 2 questions, are you asking should the 5 and 7 iron have the same launch conditions as the 6 iron, or would there be any issues if your 5 iron or the 7 iron launched like the ideal conditions for the 6 iron? Pasted as rich text. I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. The G30 is a high-launching game improvement design. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. The average golfer leaves 65 percent of all approach shots short of the green. The most common complaint I hear from golfers looking for new irons is that all the lofts are jacked strong. If someone is playing an iron set, for instance, from the late 1990s or earlier they will most likely find their irons to be 2-to-3 degrees weaker than todays game-improvement irons, and even some players irons. Or if youre playing in firm conditions, you might want more spin and a higher launch. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! Custom Edel E-3 Putter, More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. In 11 starts since gaining his place at the top level, the 26-year-old has made four cuts, including a first-time-out 12th at the Fortinet, 10th in Bermuda (led after a first round 62), 22nd at the American Express 7th after day one) and top-30 at the Plantation Course last week. The question is, again, Do you really want to get better at golf?. I have been reading that the more offset you add it will end up more of a hook shot. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Since such a precise hit is needed to take advantage of the lower loft, the average distance each club hits the ball tends to converge at lower lofts for less-skilled players. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. In some cases "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. All rights reserved. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. After a quick gapping review we bent 2 clubs and tried those out which gave a good base to work from. Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred) ||Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag. Here are the different ways fitters change the lie angle of a club: A club can either be bent to an upright position (toe higher than heel) or flat (toe lower than heel) usually in increments of 1 or 2 degrees. Good point. people hit it further because of stronger lofts is such a wifes tale. I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell Strengthening the loft should decrease the effective offset shouldn't it? They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. 2023 Acushnet Company. Routinely, I notice longer than standard 85g shafts with these sets. Not a dispute with the OP, maybe even validation, but what about head style? For you lower swing speed players, go to blades with weaker lofts or better yet go to an old vintage blades with the pitching wedge 52 degrees, and you can hit the ball farther hehe. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. They catch a bit but I hit it crispier. If so why mess with perfection. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? This feels like an anyone week the back-nine on Sunday could be fun. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Iron lofts can be bent up to 2 degrees stronger than standard (note: making the loft stronger will increase the offset and reduce the bounce . This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Your link has been automatically embedded. . - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above.