Patricia Rorrer Forensic Files Now Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. It's been a long three years for them.". Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. However, Said never called 911. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Sorry not sorry. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. I do. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Pal stays true. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Nope. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Remembering Patricia Cole, former copy editor at NPR : NPR Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. I dont think so. And its been bad. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. "You knew how the According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Kidnapped and killed? Stop. Walmart woe. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. This woman was obsessed and jealous. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Ms. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Patricia If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. It seems so, according to you. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. I thought the same. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. So, lets take your response one step at a time. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Amina two bullets in the heart.". Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Dance defense. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Youre absolutely right!! Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. They are a joke. Animals would have for sure. The state police dropped him as a suspect. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. His defense team raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence during closing arguments. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. New state, new man. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. It was Patricias hair no question. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Everyone lies. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. Said Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. You people are fighting a losing cause! of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. It was just assumed to be crib death. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. She took out the woman who replaced her. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. She held up pictures of her dead daughters. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. She should have received the death penalty imo. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. You should be ashamed of yourself. And she called 911. No show. Very similar. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. she didnt need to . The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? (Nope. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Patricia Prue sentence: Life without parole Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Said Guilty During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. No explanation given. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. That woman has no soul. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. I think shes guilty for sure. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? We lived close to one another. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. Flaw in reasoning. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Said I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Petition JUSTICE for Amina & Sarah Said: To interrogate Patricia Shes being well taken care of.. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. Mr Steve J Said So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime.