Ah, Karen. Get Alerts. Most were very professional and cooperative but there are always the few that made things difficult. Its ridiculous that youre allowed to take the control of a Cessna independently at 60-80 hours of learning. History N731NR - FlightAware There are published VFR approaches and having flowing the west side "water tower" I know they're trivial. I drove IP the 95 miles to FSD and he had a session with the controller and the supervisor. However he failed to descend below the inner ring, that ring starts at 4500 ft MSL and goes up to 10000 ft MSL. Just to offer a slightly different perspective on all of this, I am wondering if there's a medical issue here, in which some sympathy might be warranted. He's a danger to us all and I don't want to share the sky with him. Instead he immediately gets defensive and then combative. Must have been a Kennedy. I'll give you the number when you're ready to copy. At the end, it seems like there was at least one transmission we didn't hear where this pilot was giving "his side of the story" to Henderson Ground, hence that controller apologizing to him. This guy is a class-one "all about me" narcissist who makes GA pilots look bad. We will also go into the consequences that could occur if you were to get into trouble for this. Best Flight Tracker: Live Tracking Maps, Flight Status, and Airport Delays for airline flights, private/GA flights, and airports. I hope he stops making bad decisions before he no longer has the ability to do so. Washington, DC 20591 She kept phoning her father, a MD in LA and complaining about her mistreatment and threatening everybody with lawsuits. (i.e. Again, not a good decision. It is a technical term that means that the pilot in command failed to observe FAA regulations, ATC clearances, or temporary flight restrictions in the conduct of his/her flight. The overall outcome will depend on the situation in question and the consequences of the incident. You'd be surprised how many Pilots act like they are the only plane an ATC is working even tho she is nonstop talking sequencing Arrivals to one of the top 5 busiest airports in the USA!!! Almost everybody agrees the jerk was wrong and dangerously so. The controller continues to direct other traffic including warning other planes in the area that N1NR is there and approximately where it is so that they do not collide with it as it has still not left Bravo. I've gotta jump on the bandwagon in wondering "just what the heck 'Karen' was thinking" when she told the 99.9999999% of commentors on this site to get the "sticks out of their asses". [His lack of permission and knowledge about needing such was discussed by previous posters and is referenced here just for completeness.]. This leads the pilot to tell ATC to clear him. Double that. Me - yes sir, IP just sent student name on his long cross country and controlled airspace flight. I was the 16yo kid working the desk when his #2 instructor sent a private student off on his long cross country and controlled airspace solo flight he went to lunch. Good job on hitting a new high USA! "N731NR (still whining): "Then clear me through. First, when aviation is involved we ALL give a f. People's lives are at risk. If N1NR had requested clearance, ATC would have responded with clearance or denial and N1NR would have to confirm what was said. Thank you. You'd be surprised how many Pilots act like they are the only plane an ATC is working even tho she is nonstop talking sequencing Arrivals to one of the top 5 busiest airports in the USA!!! 3h 18m. Certainly, the other person on frequency broke the rules by transmitting directly to the pilot, but that was defensible and measured: the pilot had severely degraded situational awareness that was imperiling the safe operation of his aircraft. I was really busy at the time and he took up much of my time and reduced the safe operation of the airspace. In over 30 years of flying, I have sat and listened to amateur pilots give ATC professionals a load of sh*#. This guy has absolutely no business being in command of an automobile, much less an aircraft in class B airspace. I noticed a typo "pilot deviation" should be of course "pilot deviation". If you do not, then you might face losing your certificate, which isnt what anybody wants. Or, the guy may be a massive jerk. She refuses and he petulantly retorts back. Car accidents because of human error are just as fatal only to less people. In fact, I encourage that. Keep up the anti-mask bs. Looks like we found the co-owner of Wife Approved, LLC. This will come out in time. Visit a tracon JUST ONCE. Commercial Pilot He responds he requested clearance previously. Official websites use .govA .gov website belongs to an official government organization in the United States. The few concerns about behavior affected by incipient tumor or hypoxia bring back memories. Single and Multi engine with Instrument privileges. Word of caution: the owner of the aircraft is easily found, and plenty of information is out there. It would be one thing if he "unintentionally" violated the Class B airspace (how exactly do you do that in this day and age?). I thought I was cleared, I have an ill 6 year old on board. As well as this, you might want to consider making a call to an aviation attorney before you call the number that you have been provided with. He responds that he's been "talking to her the whole time." Then landed on the beach. The pilot violated the FARs and FSDO needs to take appropriate action. He responded rogerrrrrrrrrr. This pilot penatrated that airspace at what appears to have been approximately 4800. There is a letter stating the request was denied because of an ongoing investigation. Then you are free to call the tower on the landline when you land and find out why you were denied clearance or complain about poor services. But generally, we want what is best (safest as well as most enjoyable) for the users. In this case, a plane with the registration code N1NR enters Bravo airspace without clearance to do so, and thats where the situation starts: ATC: N1NR, I need you outside of the Bravo.Pilot: Negative.ATC: Negative what?Pilot: Im inside.ATC: You were not given a clearance through the Bravo. Another pilot chimes in with his thoughts. Thank you, number as soon as IP returns will have him call. Or . He did not declare a fuel emergency, so go east over Lake Meade, or go west over Red Rocks and stay out of B and get to HND without any issues. Me - knowing said student thought oh ##@@. no no, Im saying the process in place is unnecessary - this phone call is more like a call to an upset friend than what is supposed to a dispassionate, factual entity (ATC, FAA). Ive dealt the entering class B many times. Student name just called ATC, skipped approach control called the tower directly when he was on a short final for FSD advised his name and I'm coming in. Mistakes happen. There are reasons for the rules. It causes paperwork (at the very least) on both sides and is also distracting from other important duties. But if it was just a misjudgment, and we all make those from time to time, the appropriate response would be to simply apologize to the Controller, then get out. Please provide a copy of all records previously provided under FOIA request: 2020-007074WS . I love listening to air traffic control audio, either just live, or recordings of interesting interactions. This is serious,you can't be that blatantly disobedient. I'm a Retired LAS Controller. Is spoiled B short for "Spoiled Bravo Airspace" or "Spoiled Brat" or "Spoiled B." :). You might get hypoxic if you fly right over Class B at 10000 or above. Student - he did get his private after 3 more months of practice. I'm very impressed that he could do all that. Hundreds could have died. You should be ashamed. I'm not at liberty to discuss the matter further, but the safety of passengers and crew are paramount. Doing so erodes hand flying skills which is evident in the last phase of his flight. @Francis Bagbey Undiagnosed tumors and the like can lead to emotional regulation problems and impaired judgement. I live under the approach and departure path to MIA, so I constantly have ATC audio playing in the background. If you should have any trouble viewing this email or the attachment, please notify us immediately. I don't care where people get frustrated. 3 This pilot is more than likely going to have to do recurrent training probably 10 to 15 hrs before privalages can be restored. n731nr pilot deviation - construccionesryc.cl 05:29PM CDT Abel Santa Maria - SNU. Both pilot and atc handled the situation poorly. . I live in Las Vegas. "N731NR (whining): "I'm inside"LAS: "You were not given a clearance through the Bravo. Its about attitude, and my only (very generous) defense of this pilots terrible attitude is that all of us are more tense and reactive these days with the covid pandemic, elections, riots, BLM, and other socio-political upheavals were dealing with globally. Im an air traffic controller in a class B airspace (one of the 8 US airports busier than LAS) and I have to admit that Im occasionally underwhelmed by the services that my coworkers are willing to provide; how unenthusiastic they can be about working a little harder to allow a VFR aircraft to enter the airspace. He just flat out refused. Calling the cops on "someone suspicious" has become a way to say "There's a minority person and I don't like something about them so I called the cops on them.". Pull that @$$holes license and give him a huge fine. He should not even be allowed to control his own [emailprotected]. I was a center controller and am now retired. ATC either turns him around or gives him a better heading. This may come as a shock to you, but us general aviation Cesena (sic) clowns have as much right to use the airspace as any commercial operation. 2020-007191WS Anonymous (Laing) Invoice.pdf, 2020-007191WS Anonymous (Laing) PDPNR.pdf, Subject: RE: Freedom of Information Act Request #2020-007191. Don't assume the pilot flying owns the aircraft. That's movie crap. The main reason is safety to clear an area around the airport for takeoffs and landings. The likelihood of an actual air collision is low due to the training of "most" pilots, but you don't need a guy like this. I remember many times that pilots would argue with me about instructions. You need special clearance to enter this airspace. While working on my instrument rating and flying in and out of Midway airport I heard dozens of Southwest pilots being human, and missing instructions, blowing through airspeed restrictions, among other FAR violations and getting dressed down by ATC when they goofed up. ATC Audio: Negligent Pilot Argues With Air Traffic Controller, I love listening to air traffic control audio, Not Good: Boom Overture Left Without Engines, Factorydesigns Innovative New Narrow Body Business Class Seat, Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Certainly, the other person on frequency broke the rules by transmitting directly to the pilot, but that was defensible and measured: the pilot had severely degraded situational awareness that was imperiling the safe operation of his aircraft. LAS may not have even heard the static. Maybe on a subconscious level, you realize that there are departures off of Runway 27R as well. This pilot came in over Lake Meade under the class B which requires no ATC clearance to operate an aircraft. Bravo airspace, like Ben said, is the airspace around major airports in the country.